This is just pure bullshit. The companies used now are just created. All other companies they have been involved in has either gone bankrupt or been unregistered.

Thanks for a great reply and you concern for your customers.

As I can see that you are a bit worried on Medison yourself, may I suggest that you contact Clevo in Taiwan and see if they have an agreement with Medison to sell thousands of MobiNote M540V and if the final price is possible? That should really settle if the deal is genuine or not. Both for your own sake but if you would like to post their reply here too it would be great. Several persons have tried to contact them already but noone has gotten any answer and you will probobly have better luck with your status as seller.
For more information on the notebook, please see: http://www.clevo.com.tw/products/M540V.asp
Also note that they claim that this product isn’t for sale anymore.

I cant even figure out how to buy the dam thing…
Where is it ?

Hello again,

It has today been verified by several sources that Clevo doesn’t have anything to do with Medison. So if there really are any computers it can’t be the ones pictured and specified on the site. Customers needs to know what they are buying as you might understand. So what computers are they selling? Medison themself refuses to answer this questions both on forums, mail and in media. Since we ultimately are buying the computer from you as you state, then you must be able to get the actual specifications?

Thanks in advance.

I was wondering whether 2CO will check goods that are shipped. If money is transferred only after the product is shipped, the only remaining way for this to work as a fraud (that I can think of) is if they send out boxes with bricks inside or something similar. This has happened in The Netherlands where I live with people buying cameras, laptops and mobile phones on a popular second hand trading website.

What will happen if I order a laptop and get a less-than-elegant paperweight instead?

That’s pretty reassuring to know, thanks.

Now that’s interesting!
I’ve paid to you, will be awaiting for THEM to deliver the goods, before they get paid… so where is my money will be in case THEY can’t deliver?

I trust my credit card details also won’t get in the hands of the vendor? This could also be a way to get lots of credit card numbers…

When ordering for USA delivery, it states:

(1) Medison Celebrity (001): 150.00
Vendor Shipping: (Scandinavia) 0.00
Sale Total ( USD ): $ 150.00

I’m assuming that the item will be shipped from Scandinavia in Europe to USA. Will there be any Customs Fees, Brokerage Agency Fees or Shiping and/or handling fees
added to the above when the item is delivered?

I previously purchased something in Canada, and I paid more in Brokerage House and custom fees that the price of the item I purchased.

My belief is that the person behind the small company, perhaps just an amateur importer, is buying up a model that has gone out of the product line and is collecting orders to fill a container. Thus giving waiting time. I guess he is paying USD100.- a piece. Putting linux on it wasn’t necessary though. He is doing more than needed to sell this model: He could just have shipped a free linux disk along. There are so easy to install by yourself.

I wonder if he has forgotten to charge for customs fees and taxes. Anyway, it will still be cheap.

The text of the Privacy Policy and Terms are closed for revision, so the guy is following the press he gets.

Another aspect could be that demand for the laptops fell as the market found out you couldn’t install a fake Vista. With two many laptops on storage it makes sense to make a clearance sale.

A guy undercutting the market profits by this huge margin is sure to attract efforts from ompany peers, so I guess we’ll see some attempts to swarth Medison.

Who knows, it might the new Henry Ford that made cars affordable to ”everyone”.

With 2CO’s assurances I am willing to take the risk.

Medison, seemed to be have headoffice in uk.

Medison Europe Limited
27 Ruffets Wood
Gravesend, Kent
DA12 5JQ England

http://www.medison.se
e-mail: contact@medison.se

i’ve just placed an order and since it is in uk i can always call the police and trading standards if they don’t deliver.

i read the story about the laptop from zdnet and my wife said she wanted one so i ordered one. £77.71 for any laptop especially new is a bargain.

mike

It is now confirmed to be a scam:

>From: ”Europe Sales” <europesales@clevo.com.tw>
>To: ”***** *********” <*******@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re:
>Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 07:17:46 CET
>
>Dear Sir,
>
>Because of our business policy we are unable to reply to your request in detail.
>We can however confirm to you that we do not have any relation to the Medison company
>you are reffering to nor do we have a partnership with any reseller in the western world that is offering our machines to
>end customers for a price lower than $250.
>
>I hope you will find our answer satisfactory.
>
>With kind regards,
>
>Guan-Yin
>
>
>Clevo Mobile Computing
>Taipei

He is talking about machines branded ”Clevo”.

If they sell a number as no name it’s a different story. Products can be sorted to secondary quality if the cpu specs don’t hold or there are other problems, perhaps color errors in the plastic casing or pixel errors in the screen.

The no name secondary items could be sold off to middle men and Clevo may not know that Medison bought them.

We’ll just have to wait and see. There are reports that SOME have received the goods. How do sceptics explain that?

The early bird gets the worm and last to order gets none. You’ll have to look at what risk you run compared to the benefits. 2co.com guarantees the money

Clevo is an OEM-manufacturer. Ofc they don’t sell them under their name. The answer is clear.

Also, this is not the only answer we have gotten. They are actually looking into legal actions towards Medison. It’s just the first one we get confirmed in writing.

”We’ll just have to wait and see. There are reports that SOME have received the goods. How do sceptics explain that?”

Totally missed that before. The answer is that they are lying. Medison themself are saying that they havn’t delivered any units yet and expect to deliver the first 100 units in a couple of weeks.

Thank you ”thenisse” and ”e 2CO Staff” for great questions and answers! I ordered a Medison Celebrity Wednesday based on Engadget, Gizmodo & Slashdot – but I have to confess I have been just a little bit concerned reading the ”chatter online” about a possible fraud/scam.
That aside, I feel more assured that 2CO protects the financial side of the transaction – in spite of the long time to ship.

Based upon THENISSE’s reference to the Clevo M540V (and finished production run), I found a laptopforum post from a student in Brazil quoted below:
”Hi for all notebookreview users.

That´s my first post on this forum. But so recently I bought a notebook here in Brazil, the model is a Positivo Mobile V21 and it´s the same model of Clevo M540V.

A very nice budget notebook but I want to know if the 14” TFT Monitor that uses 1280×768 can do a higher resolution like 1280×800. The hardware of al M5×0V series are the same, but if I try to change the driver or is there a program that can scan the monitor to say what is the higher resolution that it can do it it will help me a lot.

So anyone knows how can I do that?

Thanks for all.
Regards from Brazil.
__________________
http://www.anklan.net
”Imagination is more important than knowledge.”
Albert Einstein ”
—–END OF QUOTE—

The point is that Postivo Informatico is a successful Brazilian computer manufacturer established 1989 and manufacturing 500,000 laptops a year (mostly to Brazil, but now has offices in China and Europe) INCLUDING A MODELS SIMILAR TO ”CLEVO” AND THE ”Celebrity”. Check out the Company’s Investor Page at http://www.positivoinformatica.com.br/ir/ and Citi corp review AND their Laptop product offerings at http://www.positivoinformatica.com.br/site/mobile_config_v41.htm . Recall that the Home Page of Medison makes reference to assembly and manufacturing activities in BRAZIL!

I DEFINITELY FEEL MORE CONFIDENT IN BUYING THE Medison Celebrity now!

Medison them self has actually said that the computers indeed are bought and produced in China/Taiwan. I’m sorry to say, but that theory falls flat imho.

thenisse,
Thank for explaining everything with a good reaserch baking, unfortunately, by the looks of it I’ve been ”Bummed” and I cant ask for the money before the whole scam is fully uncovered…
My friend Live by and Ive asked him to check the location….
http://maps.google.com/maps?client=opera&rls=en&q=Medison+Europe+Limited+27+Ruffets+Wood+Gravesend,+Kent+DA12+5JQ+England&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wl
Google maps confirmed- Not an address
I shall call trading standards on Monday and Will try my best to overturn credit agreement to get my money back, but one thing for sure- if it is too good to be true- It Is’nt! one more scam!

Let me just remind everyone, that the production cost of a DVD player for TV is USD16 of which most goes to patent licenses to the US. The profit is one dollar.

This means there is room for a discounted, discontinued laptop at a production cost of say 50-75 USD that is clogging up the storage and logistical chain.

It’s still a good bet in my eyes. If Ivanovic really wanted to con people, why select a suspicious price? Why not double the amount? It’s still way cheap. As you know, Ivanovic don’t get the credit card account numbers and 2CO guarantees the payment. I just can’t see how the euro100.- can be such a huge risk. I paid more for a new battery for an ancient compaq laptop that can only hold Damn Small Linux or Windows NT.

Here u have the computer, its an old computer with massive stock, it was overproduced and probably medison has gotten its hands on them, im not sure im just guessing.
http://www.bondfaro.com.br/notebook.html?kw=fabricante+positivo

alexandermello: See my answer just two posts up ”Medison them self has actually said that the computers indeed are bought and produced in China/Taiwan. I’m sorry to say, but that theory falls flat imho.”
thulemanden: What does the price of DVD-players have to do with anything?
And if the deal is alright, why wouldn’t they charge 160 or 170 USD instead? Just as many would have bought, if not more…

Well, sorry to disagree but the the http://medison.se/ site under the category NEWS quotes the following Laptop activities and Brazil:

July 19, 2007
Medison Celebrity Laptop

We have the pleasure of introducing our own branded laptop, called Medison Celebrity.
It is not only new on the market, it is also the best price ever found for a brand new laptop. Or what do you think about the price $150? Read more about it on our product web site.

February 20, 2007
Brazil!
We have, together with partners, opened up a laptop factory in Brazil. The news was released by the company owner, Valdi Ivancic, who also says, ”We are only assembling laptops in our plant in Sao Paulo now before our own plant will be ready for manufacturing”.

December 8, 2006
Laptop manufacturing
Medison decided to set up a laptop manufacturing plant in Brazil. ”We will hopefully be able to start selling our own manufactured laptops by the end of year 2007”, says Valdi Ivancic. [see also Valdi´s Weblog]

So I think that the Brazil sourcing is more plausible than China/Taiwan.

The bottom line is I HOPE WE GET OUR Laptops in 4-6 weeks!!! I WILL be a fine deal!

http://medisonscam.blogspot.com/

”Saturday, July 28, 2007
Latest breaking news

The computer specified and pictured on Medisons website is the Clevo MobiNote M540V. The pictures and exact specifications is taken directly from http://www.clevo.com.tw/products/M540V.asp (compare with http://www.medisoncelebrity.com/product.html). Clevo is one of the bigger OEM-manufacturers of laptops in the world. In e-mail communication they have answered, and I quote: ”We can however confirm to you that we do not have any relation to the Medison company you are reffering to nor do we have a partnership with any reseller in the western world that is offering our machines to end customers for a price lower than $250. I hope you will find our answer satisfactory.”.
So if there actually is any computers being delivered to the customers it can’t be the computer pictured and specified on Medisons site. What will the customers receive then?

Posted by Truth Seeker at 22:19 6 comments Links to this post

Other strange things

The domain medisoncelbrity.com has been registered for the term of only one year with a hotmail-address and a cellphone number as contact.
The company only exist as a one man business in Sweden, and as a 1£-company in UK.
The address that the company is registered at is a known address for 1£-companies that just need an address in UK because they don’t have any own address there.
There are many claims on their company website that can’t be validated.
On one the other companies (http://www.unitedkeys.com/) that the owner claims to have created haven’t delivered one of their supposed products for as long as it has existed.
No one from Medison has given any answer to the claims found on this website or others. The only thing they claim over and over again is that the deal is legitimate, but not providing any proofs that it actually is.
The founder of the company has claimed that this is just the first step of the business. One of the next steps will be to sell computers with gold and diamonds for 10 000 – 20 000 USD each.
Several sources with inside information from the market claims the price (including free freight) is impossible. The LCD-display itself should be the most expensive part, and that alone is US$70 at least.
Medison claims that they make profit on each and every sold laptop.
The delivery time has changed from 4-6 weeks to up to three months.
Medison is selling ad-space on their page for ”U$ 2 million”.”

The point that some are missing: as they put time scale, they got away with three month of my money! before proven to be a scam- in acordance to credit agreement- you can not get the money back!!!!!

Well I do not want to add to the doubt but after reading all the posts I am also of the view that there is something fishy. One can understand free delivery witihin US but how is it possible to deliver free of Cost at India? shipping cost to India would be minimum about $ 70 or so.

On placing order even I was offered free shipping to India.

for Indus Technologies

Sudhir Kalra
Business Manager

The registered office address for this company is:

27 RUFFETS WOOD
GRAVESEND
KENT
DA12 5JQ

This is the registered office of the following UK Company:

BAARD BENDIKSEN LIMITED
Company No. 05738314

According to Companies House (www.companieshouse.gov.uk) WebCheck service, this company is proposed to be struck off having never submitted a return or accounts:

Status: Active – Proposal to Strike off
Date of Incorporation: 10/03/2006

Country of Origin: United Kingdom
Company Type: Private Limited Company
Nature of Business (SIC(03)):
None Supplied
Accounting Reference Date: 31/03
Last Accounts Made Up To: (NO ACCOUNTS FILED)
Next Accounts Due: 10/01/2008
Last Return Made Up To:
Next Return Due: 07/04/2007 OVERDUE

I would say this is most likely a cut-and-run operation, who either don’t understand how 2checkout.com work, or have a way to scam some of the money.

All there is left- please! 2CO, can we have our money back? without prolonged battles, and with little bit of common sense… it’s all clear to everyone that this particular scam will not materialise.

Thank You!
A credit/refund has been issued on the following order.

Sale: XXXXXXXXXX Amount: 150

Additional comments: Customer think this is a scam.

A refund can be issued by 2Checkout for various reasons, including:

1 ) Requested by the cardholder.
2 ) Requested by the vendor.
3 ) Failed internal fraud checking.

Your refund should appear on your credit card/bank statement within the
next 7-10 days.

If you have further questions regarding this refund, you may submit a
online support ticket via the following URL:

LOL! that’s what I call ”lucky escape”…

I like the 2CO responses. It is reassuring to see the company comment on our concerns. I have ordered one I think I will wait it out in hopes it will materialize. Have ANY laptops been delivered anywhere?

To Bogart
Today will Madison talk to the press. (1 of august) Acording Delivered computers are the fact that no computers are delivered. All acording to the president of madison.
Can anyone tell med where the facts takes this storie?
1, Money back if scam.
2, NO money ever possible to get hand on if deliverys is nott 100% alright
3, No known or unknown computerparts or hole computers is known of
4, Hand full of people known in media as only employes of madison
5, Madison (in sweden) bankrupt and restared in UK, Why refering to been in branch from 1996 when that is not true? This is no firm.
6, The special keybord is not possible to bye.. And inventor (and Madison president) wont coment for mix up reasons?

Why are they doing this?
Where ia the profit?
Is this a plan of a mad man?

To 2CO representative…
From all the posts in this blog, it would appear to be prudent for 2CO to investigate these concerns and post their findings. Not just give an opinion.
(i.e., Is the ”MadisonCelebrity” offer legitimate or not?? )
Also, what are the total charges that will be made by 2CO ??

As far as the shipping charges, fees, etc. go, they can be contested and denied thru one’s credit card provider. If not valid, payment would be recalled and credit would be applied.

I look forward to seeing a response.

From previous posts in this Forum, I have pieced together a likely scenario:
1) An almost identical laptop (apparently new, but overstocked and heavily discounted?) is available in Brazil:
http://www.bondfaro.com.br/notebook.html?kw=fabricante+positivo
and
http://vitrine.shoptime.com.br/apollo/partnerAction.do?method=redirect&WT.srch=1&link=10587&produto=184412
Price: Around R$ 1600 for the 256 MB RAM model, R$2200 for the one with 512 MB.
2) 150 US$ = 1900 R$ (Brazilian Reals)

So, other Web sites are selling them for actually cheaper!
Of course, the keyboard and the OS are in Portuguese and who knows how much they will charge for shipping (shipping is free for Brazilian addresses).
Other than that, they could pull it off… If they are not breaking any gray-market resale rules by selling them here in the US.

Never mind. 150 US$ = 285 R$. I got the exchange rate wrong.
This would bring the actual cost in the Web site to US$ 842.
No way they can sell it for US$150.

This Laptop is real. Here is an article about the founder of the company.
He is also Running for Prime Minister (see the next article)
http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.115391

http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.115388

I ordered one and I do not doubt that they will not deliver. This is a new concept and it scares people. I am just glad I ordered one now and not tried after the validity is confirmed. The flood of orders will be crazy and they will not be able to keep up and promise delivery in a timely manor.

A question to Julie/ 2CO Staff

In your response to Jtlo38, you write:

“If Medison decides to increase the price or set up shipping charges, that will apply to any order that happens after the change is made. It will not be retroactive or anything like that.”

And

” Medison can also charge for shipping on delivery. Yes, they should have stated up front that they would do this. And if they do go this route for shipping charges, the customer can refuse delivery and contact us for a refund, which we will be more than happy to provide.”

I think that it is quite clear that the shipping is included acc.to Medisons web site.

If I want to buy a laptop from Medisons home page I will visit the pages in the order mentioned below:
——————————————————————————–

http://www.medisoncelebrity.com/

As the serious consumer that you are, you check the purchase terms.

You are right; there are none on the page, so you click on Terms of Use and also Privacy Policy.

You give up and trust that the terms will show up later in the process.

http://www.medisoncelebrity.com/ -Click on BUY

As the serious consumer that you are, you check the purchase terms.

https://www.2checkout.com/2co/buyer…ge/1257876?p1=1 – Click on Purchase Terms.

https://www2.2checkout.com/document…chaseterms.html

citat:
DELIVERY AND TAX

Separate charges for shipping and handling may apply. IF THERE ARE SEPARATE CHARGES, SUCH CHARGES WILL BE SHOWN ON YOUR ORDER FORM. 2CO Suppliers select the method of delivery, so delivery options will vary.

Then you only have to checkout and to be sure check the Purchase Terms once more and pay with your credit card.
——————————————————————————–
Information that says that shipping cost will be added later don’t exist on any web pages that you have to visit in order to complete this purchase.

Medison have mentioned on the page that indicates the price on their site:
“Pricing, specifications, availability and terms of offers may change without notice. Taxes, fees, shipping and handling and any applicable restocking charges are extra, and vary.”

They don’t mention how and when those “extra” charges will apply!

So the questions that come up regarding the shipping cost where I see some problems with your answers in this forum are.

1. I don’t have to visit the “Price” page that indicates the shipping charges at the Medison site to do this purchase.

2. Even if I have visited the “Price” page, I have no reason to believe that the purchase terms at the company where I make the actual purchase at, are not correct. Especially when those purchase terms clearly states “IF THERE ARE SEPARATE CHARGES, SUCH CHARGES WILL BE SHOWN ON YOUR ORDER FORM”
——————————————————————————–
Terms from Medison
“
Pricing is based on the value of US Dollar and may therefore vary between countries and may also change without notice.

Specifiactions on the laptop can change without notice. The specifications can not be lower technology, though.

Availability of the Medison Celebrity model depends on how many orders we get per day. It might take one or two weeks longer to get the laptop.

Terms (date and price) of offer may change without notice.

Taxes vary from country to country and from state to state. Medison is not responsible for paying any additional taxes in your country or state.

Fees taken by our authorized partner 2CO are U$6.45 + 5,5% and extra on the price. Some smaller fees might be taken by your bank and varies on what bank and card you have.

Shipping and handling is taken care of by our partner EMEA Services with its network reaching out over several continents.
“

It is not stated anywhere that shipping cost will be added later.
——————————————————————————–

I conclude from the above, that it is your Purchase terms that are valid for this purchase, and if I believe that I have suffered any loss from a breach of said terms, I will claim any damages from 2CO.

In Swedish forum’s it is quite confused what is correct or not, is shipping included as stated on above mentioned order form from you, or is shipping added on delivery as you mentioned as a possible option?

Please clarify

Question 2 to Julie/ 2CO Staff

Another question that have been discussed in Swedish forum’s is how 2CO follow up the purchase´s.

Medison have stated that all purchases are secured because they use 2CO and 2CO verify that the purchase´s has been correctly executed with the customer.

How many contacts will be taken during how long time for the purchases from Medison? ( 10 first, x/1000 or ?)

My message is for atasas:
If you really want to use google maps and FIND an address, I recommend you try using it like:
http://maps.google.com/maps?client=opera&rls=en&q=27+Ruffets+Wood+Gravesend,+Kent+DA12+5JQ+England&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wl

It is a valid address…but, as mentioned before it is just a £1 company address…

One more thing. I have 2 thoughts for everyone willing to pay the $150.

1. If it’s too good to be true, then it probably is.
2. If they buy laptops for $250 (from Clevo, for ex.), they sell them for $150 minus shipping and labor(Linux install), they get a loss of around $140/laptop. However, if they could sell advertisement on their website, and because of the ”scam look”, they would have a very low ROI (0.02%), it is possible for them to make a profit.
For ex.: They have 1 million visitors checking out the product, but only 200 actually buy a laptop, that’s a $28.000 loss, but I believe advertising to a million people would cover that and make a small profit (if you’re an advertising expert, drop a line on this forum).

They could also make profit from advertisement somewhat similar to Mozilla with Firefox (they make a huge profit from Google adsense).

They could also make huge money if they ship laptops with Google as default search engine (with their own adsense ID build in the system), they could also have the system setup with all sorts of ads and affiliate programs (similar to Windows and Apple – iTunes, MSN live, MSN shop, etc.).

If they don’t do this, I am willing to start a venture with anyone based on this business model:)
===
I’m editing this post. In fact, according to this article: http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.115391 , they really want to make a profit from ads and affiliate systems (or as retailers).

More fun stuff and lies from Valdi today, chek out http://www.medisonscam.info.

I wonder how long 2co will continue to support this crap? Have you even got any answers on the shipping issue yet?

Unfortunatly, it seems that they don´t answer questions that they find offensive;-(

The Medison website does say shipping charges and taxes are extra, So I probably will see a bill due when the item is shipped. But taxes and shipping should only be about $30-50. So it is still worth it to me. And I do not mind paying the ups man as long as he lets me open the package first.

I ordered one of these laptops on 8/1/07. After placing the order I saw $150 ”reserved” from my account although there was no listing of the purchase from 2CO in the statement. This went on until today when I noticed that my $150 is back in my account. So my question is, did the deal fall through? Has anyone else had their money returned?

Horribleron

Well only a couple days left before the shipping process is to begin. I guess we will see if this is a scam or not. Has anyone at 2CO found out about the Shipping charges and if we will have to pay for them since on the order form there was no charge for shipping? There was mention that 2CO was in direct talks with Medison but I haven’t seen any outcome from these discussions.

I agree. Kristin from 2co wrote ”We’re definitely working with Medison to clarify the shipping issues. You’ll see more information made available as it becomes available.” for over a week ago. I can’t understand how it can take this long time for 2co and Medison to actually work out this issue? It still says free shipping on 2co’s order page, nad Valdi still claims that shipping isn’t free. If Medison is as real and serious as you say, why can’t this issue be answered? You can not make this kind of statements and then not follow them without falling to the same bullshit-level as Medison them self!

Well said thenisse! I have sent in a question to Medison about my special shipping situation so far just the autmated response that they will get back to me. I saw on the Yahoo Medison group page a post that they have delayed shipment of the first units till 31 Aug, maybe since they don’t know the shipping answers either?

Kristin, Thanks for the explaination as you know it right now. I for one am not to the point of wanting to cancel my order. I would prefer to wait it out and see how things will playout, as long as the cost remain minimal that is. If I understand your statment correctly it seems that 2CO is now going to coordinate the shipping of the orders (for US orders at least) once the product is received at a fulfillment center? I take it that customers will be contacted about the details once the items are received by 2CO/fulfillment center and shipping details have been finalized?

Hi kristin–any idea how this will play out for Canada?

Ok, so now that we know for sure that shipping isn’t free, and that the information on YOUR order page is wrong, what is next? As consumer organizations aroud the world is starting to react, and that medisons site has been confirmed to break EU consumer laws, I would act quite fast if I were 2co to avoid problems.

How about actually fixing the part on YOUR site that says free shipping, and mass mail all existing customers that shipping will be extra to give them fair information. It won’t change anything for those persons out there that don’t care or actually understands that shipping is extra, but there is lots of people out there that do think that shipping is free. Wouldn’t it be fair to contact them already now, since there will be atleast two more weeks before anything will be delivered?

ENOUGH! So much whining over something you have control over….2CO said you can cancel your order….DO IT…. I DID!!!! If people werent so greedy and wanted something for nothing, scam artists wouldnt have a chance….YOU ARE ENABLERS!!!!!

It’s called a gamble. Buyers and sellers do it all of the time. But like gambling, one wants to hedge their bets wherever possible. While it’s a gamble it’s fun to see if a package actually shows up at the door for the agreed upon $150. 2CO is enabling fun here.

$150.00US is a fair price for overstocked and obsolete notebooks. They are available in skidlots. It is not greed to want to buy wholesale. Everybody still gets something. Grow up.

Fair enough…point taken…so stop the whining and wait for your ”wholesale” computer to arrive at your door (maybe) (total actual price unkown and to be determined by scam artists). There is no need for further discussion…if you need to discuss it further, try gamblers anonymous

Sorry, illinoye. You ARE right about the whining and hand wringing. Point taken also. It IS shrill. 2CO has us covered.

But there is an ulterior motive behind all of this and I’m about 65% sure there’s a viral advertising campaign of some sort that will (hopefully) see that a bunch of computers get delivered to a bunch of people; 25% says Valdi is a entrepreneur that got hold of a whole bunch of cheap PCs and is way in over his head trying to be a player. The last 10% of my spidey sense says Valdi’s pulling a nervy rip-off. The guy gives his skeptics a ton of ammo.

I’m not an habitual gambler, but I do buy lottery tickets when the pot’s big because talking about winning it is the best fun you can have apart from winning. That’s why everybody’s giddy. It IS literally the thrill of playing a bet. It’s something to cackle about around the world wide water cooler.

If the thing arrives without a 100$ freight and duty charge, I win.

Kristin,
Thanks for the additional information. I look forward to seeing an email soon with the aditional information/cost for my order.

”To repeat (or, perhaps, clarify): All customers who pre-ordered will have shipping costs identified via re-invoice and be asked to re-authorize the order. Free shipping may still apply to the Scandinavian orders to which it was originally intended.”
Valdi him self has said _several_ times that shipping applies to ALL orders, that include Swedish/Scandinavian ones.

”This concept got very big, very quickly and the much-higher-than-anticipated GLOBAL demand is obviously creating unforeseen issues.”
Today, a local swedish news paper writes that Medison applied for a position as Head of Tourism for a county here in Sweden. Since the CV is public infomation due to that it was sent to an official address it has been published. In the CV he writes: ”CEO & President of Medison Consulting. At the moment introducing a new laptop brand on the world market, Medison Celebrity. Prospecting sales of 200.000 laptops per month world wide.”
I don’t think that the orders has reached over 200 000 orders per month already, so why should he be surprised?
For more information on his CV, that is full of lies as susual for valdi, see http://www.medisonscam.info/2007/08/valdi-applying-for-head-of-tourism.html

Also, I would like to point out that I havn’t ordered a laptop myself, but since I run the blog http://www.medisonscam.info, _loads_ of people that have ordered the laptop turns for me for information, since Medison doesn’t answer anything at all, and that 2co always comes with avoidiog and dodgy answers that just goes in line with information that already has been confirmed as lies or misinformation. I have received over 33 000 visitors on the blog since I started it less then a month ago, so the hunger for real information is huge. That’s why I continue to push, to get answers for the consumers.
The answer ”You can cancel your order” and ”It will be fixed sometime” isn’t near a good answer. Shape up.

Edit: And let me point out that the first time it was 100% confimed by Valdi him self that shipping applied to _all_ orders was August 1:st. This was also the date you got notified about this fact and that the information on your order page was wrong. Are you telling us that it takes over _two weeks_ for you to fix a simple issue in your order system? Scary!

Also let me just tell you that you have to accept to be investigated and accused with doing business with such an unserious company as Medison is. And that is a fact, no matter if they will deliver any computers or not.
I do understand that you think that you got everything to win and nothing to lose on this. Either computers get delivered and you will win the big pot, or there won’t be any computers and the buyers get their money back, and they will be happy about you like they already are; ”The money is safe with 2co anyhow”. I would also assume that you believe that other potential partners of yours would look down on you if you canceled this big contract without a ”valid reason”.
But now, whats happeing is that people is starting to speculate that you, 2co, is a part of the scam. No, not that you would help the scammers as already some have suggested, but that you actually got a part in ”the scam”. This rumor is spreading wild at the moment and you can’t do anything about it. The only thing you can say is that you are a trustworthy company and so on, but some would say that thats just the same thing to say as Medison is claiming that they will deliver any computers.
The reason for this ruomor is your bad acting on this matter. The rest of the business world takes medison as either a scam or a work done by a mythomaniac that never can end good. That includes previous partners, news papers, other large IT-companies and so on. Everyone but you.

For me, the laptop has already been worth the $150 I may or may not be out. I ordered 3 weeks ago knowing it was purely a gamble. 2CO seems reputable enough that I’m not worried, and if I do happen to lose the money it isn’t the end of the world. But all the press from various blogs/forums has been pure entertainment. Yay for all the people that have nothing better to do with their time than complain!

I’ve also been tempted to cut and run but this, as study of the internet community digging for the truth is well, simply fascinating. I’ve posted before about this being a bit of a lottery. You can’t daydream about winning without a ticket. It’s weird but I’m having fun with it.

I hope Valdi is a well intentioned nut-bar. I wish I could read Swedish. I wish I knew what the shipping and duties will be. I wish my prospective politicians would sell me a 164.72$CDN laptop. Mike Dell isn’t this fun…

Shipping was supposed to start on Aug 15th. Have any been dispatched yet ?

There was a 2 week delay in shipping announced on the 14th, now shipping is scheduled for the 31st that is if they resolve the shipping issues problems they have.

thenisse,
I am going to have to agree with Kristin on this one. Maybe Medison is not a legit company, maybe this is a scam (Not a very good one). Maybe 2CO is part of the scam in terms of free publicity, weirder things have happened such as Enron. But I think you are going too far, with no hard evidence you are making acquisitions that are not substantiated. We bought these laptops from a SMALL company. Do you think this would have happened with Dell? How about HP? The answer is NO, but then again would we get a 150 dollar laptop (Not including tax, S&H)? This is a new business model that is being tried; one I think is going to be successful (if the have the capital to last that long). Let this company work things out without making claims against them without presenting HARD evidence. And maybe valdi is a nutcase, but after reading your posts I am starting to think you have a vendetta against him or the company!
V/R
BlewCowsUK

First let me say that I haven’t said that _I_ think that this is a scam. I don’t actually believe that this is a scam, not in the matter of scamming the buyers at least. I’m just forwarding words from people from all around the world that wants answers to questions that won’t be answered.
It seems like some persons are too busy reading what they think I’m writing instead of what I actually write. I have explained my self both here and on my blog why I do this, if you still don’t understand why I recommend you to read my posts and my blog again!
Let me say this again: There is absolutely ZERO proof on that there will be any deliveries of any computers. Can anyone argue against that?
And for those people that still believes that there will be any computers, please read http://www.medisonscam.info/2007/08/recap-computer.html and try to explain that.
Valdi has been lying from the start. Medison has not been since business since 1996. In fact, none of the companies that he has been involved in has been successful. That seems to be the first lie that 2co fell for, and it has continued on that way.

kristin, and everyone else at 2co, please read my two last posts again and try to understand what I write. I can clarify one more ”question”:
For over two weeks ago you were notified about that Valdi confirmed several times that shipping applied to ALL orders. Still, yesterday you wrote ”Free shipping may still apply to the Scandinavian orders to which it was originally intended”. Why is this? I can only come up with two reasons:
a) You haven’t spoken to Valdi about this at all.
b) Valdi tells different stories to different people, just like he has been lying to the press (That is a fact, check my blog for details).
Which one is it?

I have to agree with thenisse here. Intended scam or not isnt really the point anymore. We’re dealing with a notorious liar, proven. Nothing substantial have been presented to potential buyers. We’re all expected to trust the word of this man. A man that set up a website full of fraudulant information, lies his head of to the press and ”partners”. Yet all everyone is supposed to do is go away or hope we’ll recive any computers in some distant future.

It’s a shame that 2CO are enabling this kind of company to go on. There was a window of opportunity a week or so ago to shut everything down and try to really prove this was plausible and fix inconsistancies and sort out partner rolls and such. If it where true the buyers would still be here if this could be done. At this point recommending anyone to even consider buying anything from Medison is at best irresponsible. A company that cant answer even the simplest questions before a buy how are they supposed to handle things after. Magic?

The statment ”Just wait until we deliver a computer, then we’ll prove this is true.” is impossible to prove without more information. It puts the skeptic consumers in a prove the lockness monster doesnt exist or else it does -situation. Does any serious company operate that way, new, old, big or small?

Please present something verifiable to prove this can be done or stop enabling this behaviour towards consumers. I am not asking for top secret business models here, just something that a third party could verify to support all the claims Valdi has made.

My 2 cents.
I have read all the posts on this forum.

There are few conclusions to draw that really matter here:
1) The laptops may or may not come.
2) If they ARE delivered, 2co (Julie, post 10) has stated that,
”Before we pay any supplier, we verify with customers that
they have received the product and that it is as described
on the website. So not only will the laptops be received, but
they will be verified as working and up to the specifications
before any payment will be sent.”

This is basically a guarantee that 2co is looking out for us.
3) If they aren’t delivered, we are not charged.
4) If you don’t like any of this, you can cancel your order.
What more could you want from 2co?

I ordered a laptop. I will pay for it as long as it is what I ordered. If there are added shipping fees, everyone still has the option to cancel on delivery. It would be nice to know the shipping costs beforehand, so we know whether to cancel before shipment, or have it delivered for quality verification.
One question I have is: How will the laptops be ”verified as working and up to specifications before any payment will be sent”? If these are delivered, is it simply if I don’t return it within 2 weeks I will be charged?

In other news…
Valdi – who cares who he is. If he delivers, great. If not, I won’t get charged.
thenisse – Obviously, the only thing I care about is delivery/payment. I have come to 2co.com in order to find out how they are handling the situation. So, as far as I know, you are most sensational part of this whole thing. If this were a scam, would it be fair for me to come up with the notion that maybe you are in on this with Valdi? Let’s say Valdi is trying to get page hits and get the word out, so he hires you to just go out there and post everywhere, constantly. He tells you, ”Good or bad, just talk about us – the more traffic the better.” Absurd, right? right. I appreciate the efforts you are making to get information. But, you seemed to have crossed the line. You went from ”politely gathering information for us customers” to attacking 2co.
2co – 2checkout’s responsibility is to encapsulate the delivery/payment procedure. They aren’t enabling or disabling Medison, and it isn’t their job to do so. It is more our job as consumers to decide to buy or not. As long as they deliver the product to spec before sending payment, customers should be satisfied. On the other hand, online orders get canceled/fall through all the time.

You are portraying an all too common attitude in today’s world – it is always someone else’s fault.

Who has called you a liar? Not me at least I believe?
What I don’t comprehend is why you believe that there is any laptops just because a notorious liar has said so, or have you seen anything else but his sweet words? I just find it quite strange that everyone else involved in this story are confident on that there isn’t any laptops except 2co and a few buyers.
And I don’t comprehend why you won’t answer any questions. I repeat myself:
”For over two weeks ago you were notified about that Valdi confirmed several times that shipping applied to ALL orders. Still, yesterday you wrote ”Free shipping may still apply to the Scandinavian orders to which it was originally intended”. Why is this? I can only come up with two reasons:
a) You haven’t spoken to Valdi about this at all.
b) Valdi tells different stories to different people, just like he has been lying to the press (That is a fact, check my blog for details).
Which one is it?”

And again, I have explained why I write here and on my blog severa times. The questions I ask here is from different comments on my blog and on several forums. People ask ”Why do 2co do this or that?”. I think the best way to find out is to ask. I’m just the messenger, just like my blog. I collect, translate and present different information as a service to the readers. Most people likes this very much. I have received maybe 1 or 2 emails and 1 or 2 comments from people that doesn’t like what I do of some reason. The rest is thankful, and that includes personal thanks from people that have canceled orders after reading my blogs, reporters that love that I translate to English and potential Medison-partners that thanks me for showing that Valdi can’t be trusted.

Also, of course no one can’t prove that there isn’t any computers, just as noone can prove that god or Santa Claus doesn’t exsist. However, there is very many facts that show that shows that Valdi does a lot of lies, and very strong points that shows that it is extremely unlikely that there will be any laptops. All this can be found collected from different sources on my blog.
And by the way, how long are we supposed to wait? If there still isn’t any laptops in two months it won’t prove that they won’t come, right? Last week people said, ”Hey, let’s wait until the 15th, when Valdi promised that the computers would be delivered!” Now people say the same thing, but about the 31st…

Thenisse,
Couple of things:
1. Write a letter in business format to 2co and Medison requesting the information you seek (freedom of information act?; do your research though), make sure it is registered. May not apply to Medison since they are foreign, but I am sure they have a similar law.
2. If any corporation (or partner) has blacklisted Medison because of your involvement, I would be ready for a lawsuit if it turns out that they are legit. It’s called, slander! And no, freedom of speech will not save you; you have gone way beyond that point!
3. http://www.medisonscam.info; Hmmm, I don’t think this is a SCAM! I’d say you just LIED! Or is it just ingenious marketing?
4. Your website again provides no proof that this company is not legit, merely more slander!
5. Medison is a SMALL company; they had NO idea the publicity they would generate. Given HP or Dell in the same situation with the same resources, they too would have HUGE problems!
6. Hey, Maybe Medison hired me to counter your claims?
7. Did you know that area 51 really has UFO’s?
8. I do apologize to 2CO and other readers for being rude, just this guy seems to be on a mission or make a name for himself!
V/R
BlewCowsUK

Medison is a SMALL company; they had NO idea the publicity they would generate. Given HP or Dell in the same situation with the same resources, they too would have HUGE problems!

You are joking, right? Medison is HUUUUGE! They are on 3 continents and many countries.

From http://www.medison.se company history.

”About Medison
History of Medison (page 3)

Today we are operating in Europe, USA and Brazil. Our company has reached not only a brand name, but also a name that stands for quality and science.”

Thenisse,
Forgot to say, could I get the message ID of the email that Valdi sent you, so I can do a little investigation of my own? Or did you delete that message?
V/R
Ryan

rspx,
Operating in Europe, USA and Brazil does not MAKE you a large corporation, just a global one.
V/R
Ryan

But what GLOBAL company CEO would announce $150 laptop, weeks before there are any to ship, and think
a) It would not create a big stir
b) Generate questions about whether or not the laptops will ever materialize?

What is the point of announcing that you are selling something before you have any to ship? Or for that matter, any to even display at a press conference?

kristin, so basically you have nothing? You’re setting up shipment for a product noone can prove exists. For all I can tell not even the supplier of the product can prove it exists. (Does this happen often with other suppliers if the question arise?) Or do you have some proof we cant know about?

Answers have been available to give on several occasions, the best of them a two and a half hour long press conference approximately ten days ago in Stockholm, Sweden. Accusing me of being impatient is not a very good argument to support this cause. Neither is telling me to go away if I dont like to order. You should not be allowed to conduct business the way Medison is. Plain and simple.

Global Company or Multinational corporation ”is a corporation or enterprise that manages production establishments or delivers services in at least two countries” (wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_company). Again, a Global company does not mean Medison is a Large Corporation. I’ll answer your questions from my viewpoint:

But what GLOBAL company CEO would announce $150 laptop, weeks before there are any to ship, and think
a) It would not create a big stir – A CEO who did not envision it, we are only human. Again, Enron comes to mind. What was he thinking?
b) Generate questions about whether or not the laptops will ever materialize? – He provided one at a press conference.
c) What is the point of announcing that you are selling something before you have any to ship? – Unfounded, No Direct evidence has ever been provided.
d) Or for that matter, any to even display at a press conference? – He did display one at a press conference (http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/9185/10209/Medison-hold-laptop-press-event.phtml)
V/R
Ryan

Ryan,

That was a Clevo laptop with the logo and serial number scratched off…

Oh, and good Enron analogy.

Hmmm, I seen NO logo or serial number sctatched off. Please provide to thenisse pics (unaltered) so we can view it on his website.
V/R
Ryan

Ryan,

At this very moment, I could take a picture of my laptop and put it on the web. Why then would a global company like Medison rely on taking an image from the Clevo web site and change only the image on the screen.

Please see http://www.insiderweblog.com/2007/07/27/medison-celebrity-the-150-laptop-scam/

This is the same thing he did with taking clothing images from cafepress.com and photoshopping his own name on them and calling it the Medison Clothing Collection 2006, which were on the http://www.medison.se web site.

In swedish, but lots of pictures: http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.115336

QUESTION FOR KRISTIN 2CO STAFF/OR ANY 2CO STAFF:

ON AN EARLIER POSTING BY A 2C0 STAFF, YOUR STAFF SAID AS A RESULT OF THE CONTROVERSY, IT WAS SENDING A 2CO STAFF MEMBER TO MEET ”IN PERSON” AND ACTUALLY SEE THE PRODUCTS ”IN PERSON”, I TAKE IT GOING TO THIS EXTREME TO GET TO THE BOTTOM AND CHECK ON THE CLAIMS OF MEDISONS CRITICS.

BUT WE THE CUSTOMERS HAVE NEVER HEARD BACK ON THIS. AS OF 8/17/2007 FRIDAY – AUGUST, WHAT DOES 2CO CREDIBLY, AND VERIFIABLY, KNOW TO BE TRUE ABOUT MEDISON.

HAVE YOU, LIKE 2CO CLAIMED THEY WOULD, CHECKED OUT THE PRODUCT(S). HAVE YOU SEEN THE FACTORY(S)? HAVE YOU SEEN MORE THAN ONE OF THE LAPTOPS, THAT HAD THE SERIAL MARKED AND SCRATCHED OFF?

I MEAN SINCE 2CO SAID IT WAS GONNA MEET ”IN PERSON” TO CHECK THINGS OUT, WHAT CAN 2CO REPORT ON TO REASSURE EVERYONE. NATURALLY 2CO HAS MORE CREDIBILITY THEN MEDISON. IF YOU WERE TO TELL US, EXAMPLE LETS SAY:

(1) 2CO HAS SEEN THE FACTORY(S) OR
(2) YOU HAVE VERIFIED THERE ARE FACTORIES OR
(3) YOU HAVE SEEN THE HUNDREDS OF LAPTOPS COMPLETED AND READY TO SHIP. (I TAKE IT THEY ARE ALLREADY BUILT, SINCE SHIPPING IS THE ONLY ISSUE)
(4) YOU HAVE HAD ANY 2CO STAFF MEMBER GET THERE HANDS ON ONE.

…I MEAN, COME ON, ANYTHING, I MEAN ANYTHING ALONG THIS LINE OF VERIFICATION BY 2CO WOULD DO WONDERS TO BOOST THE CREDIBLITY OF THIS WHOLE DAMN THING. I MEAN,,I TAKE IT THATS WHY IN AN EARLIER POSTING BY A 2CO STAFF, THATS WHY THEY SAID THEY WERE GONNA MEET ”IN PERSON” AND LOOK AT THE PRODUCTS ”IN PERSON”.

SO TELL US…EVERYONE!!!!…..WHAT DID 2CO FIND OUT? REPORT YOUR FINDINGS? THIS IS A TRANSPARANT PROCESS RIGHT,,,SO LETS US ALL KNOW. IS IT IN FACT THE REAL DEAL?……TELL US? PLEASE ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS???

rspc,
http://www.insiderweblog.com/2007/07/27/medison-celebrity-the-150-laptop-scam/
Provides again no HARD evidence. I can’t see anything out of the ordinary.

Fisk47,
I just do not read Swedish, but fortunately I work with some (great guys and gals). I’ll confirm the legitimacy of this website and get back with you (Expect it to be Tuesday, It is of course Friday). Based off of the pics, there are some problems. But then again, we still need to verify the website and how much water they hold from a source that knows them!

V/R
Ryan

Ryan,

Wait, what? You have no problem with company ”A” taking an image from company ”B” web site and make an alteration and then claim it as their own copyrighted material? If I’m not mistaken, that is commonly called ”Copyright Infringement” and is illegal.

*********URGENT MESSAGE…………….URGENT MESSAGE***********************
PLEASE READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

QUESTION FOR KRISTIN 2CO STAFF OR ANY 2CO STAFF:

ON AN EARLIER POSTING BY A 2C0 STAFF, YOUR STAFF SAID AS A RESULT OF THE CONTROVERSY, IT WAS SENDING A 2CO STAFF MEMBER TO MEET ”IN PERSON” AND ACTUALLY SEE THE PRODUCTS ”IN PERSON”, I TAKE IT GOING TO THIS EXTREME TO GET TO THE BOTTOM AND CHECK ON THE CLAIMS OF MEDISONS CRITICS.

BUT WE THE CUSTOMERS HAVE NEVER HEARD BACK ON THIS 2CO ”IN PERSON” MEETING WITH MEDISON. AS OF 8/17/2007 FRIDAY – AUGUST, WHAT DOES 2CO CREDIBLY, AND VERIFIABLY, KNOW TO BE TRUE ABOUT MEDISON BASED ON THIS ”MEETING IN PERSON, SEEING PRODUCTS IN PERSON”.

HAVE YOU, LIKE 2CO CLAIMED THEY WOULD, CHECKED OUT THE PRODUCT(S) ”IN PERSON”. HAVE YOU SEEN THE FACTORY(S)? HAVE YOU SEEN MORE THAN JUST ONE OF THE INFAMOUS AND LAUGHABLE LAPTOPS, THAT HAD THE SERIAL MARKED AND SCRATCHED OFF?

I MEAN SINCE 2CO SAID IT WAS GONNA MEET ”IN PERSON” TO CHECK THINGS OUT, WHAT CAN 2CO REPORT ON TO REASSURE EVERYONE. NATURALLY ”2CO” HAS MORE CREDIBILITY THEN MEDISON. IF YOU WERE TO TELL US, EXAMPLE LETS SAY:

(1) 2CO HAS SEEN THE FACTORY(S) OR
(2) YOU HAVE VERIFIED THERE ARE FACTORIES
(3) YOU HAVE SEEN THE THOUSANDS OF LAPTOPS COMPLETED AND READY TO SHIP.(I TAKE IT THEY ARE ALLREADY BUILT, SINCE SHIPPING IS THE ONLY ISSUE)

(4) YOU HAVE HAD ANY ”2CO IN PERSON” STAFF MEMBER GET THERE HANDS ON ONE.

…I MEAN, COME ON, ANYTHING, I MEAN ANYTHING ALONG THIS LINE OF BASIC BUSINESS VERIFICATION BY 2CO WOULD DO WONDERS TO BOOST THE CREDIBLITY OF THIS WHOLE DAMN THING. I MEAN,,I TAKE IT THATS WHY IN AN EARLIER POSTING BY A 2CO STAFF, THATS WHY 2CO WAS EVEN DOING THIS ”IN PERSON” MEETING AND LOOKING AT THE PRODUCTS ”IN PERSON”.

I MEAN, I WOULD EVEN BE WILLING TO WAIT ANOTHER THREE MONTHS, IF ”2CO” STATED THAT THEY HAD IN FACT ”IN PERSON” VERIFIED FACTORIES,,OR VERIFIED THERE ARE HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF LAPTOPS (THE ALL TALKED ABOUT PRODUCT) THAT ARE ”2CO VERIFIED IN PERSON” AND READY TO BE SHIPPED.

I MEAN, EVEN IF LETS SAY THE WHOLE SHIPPING ISSUE WAS SCREWED UP AND IS TRYING TO BE FIXED, I WOULD BE OK WITH THAT, KNOWING AT LEAST THAT 2CO DID VERIFY THE FIRST PART,,,WHICH WAS THAT THERE WAS EVEN IN FACT A FREAKING REAL, EXISTING LAPTOP, AS IN THOUSANDS OF READY TO BE SHIPPED LAPTOPS,,BASE ON 2CO’S ”IN PERSON MEETINGS”.

SO TELL US…EVERYONE!!!!…..WHAT DID 2CO FIND OUT? REPORT YOUR FINDINGS OF THIS 2CO ”IN PERSON” MEETINGS? THIS IS A TRANSPARANT PROCESS RIGHT,,,SO LETS US ALL KNOW. IS IT IN FACT THE REAL DEAL?……TELL US? PLEASE ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS???

LINK ON EARLIER MESSAGE CLAIMING TO MEET IN PERSON:
http://www.2checkout.com/community/support/topic.php?id=241&page&replies=3

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blewcowsuk, I understand that. Take all the time you want. If you do think medisonscam has some credibility you can scroll down to ”Sources for information” where they also link to idg.se. idg is a pretty big computer press umbrella owner co. in sweden. They have a couple of articles in english if you’re intrested?

Fisk47,
I’ve read some of IDG stuff, seems a lot like ZDNET.com. But then again, I am not from that country, so I don’t know the validity of that site. It will be interesting to find out wether or not Medison has the laptops,I appreiciate you posting. While medisonscam may cite sources from legit sites (Some), that does not mean Medison is a scam. It’s all subjective, until proof is provided.
V/R
BlewCowsUK ”Ryan”

Fisk47,
The pics provided come from pcforalla.se, meaining that idg.com did not produce them. Can you explain please (you seem to be the swedish expert?).
V/R
Ryan

at least pcforalla has real contact information.

Karlbergsv. 77 106 78 Stockholm Tel: 08-453 60 00 Karta | Copyright © 1996-2006 International Data Group

This makes them a far more credible company than some others in my eyes.

RSCPA (Sorry, RSPX AKA Thenisse),
How long you been published with GoDaddy?
Not over ten years I think!
V/R
BlewCowsUK ”Ryan”

Ahhhh, sorry Ryan, I am not Thenisse. You can email or IM me at rspx@aol.com.

blewcowsuk, pcforalla is a publication owned by idg. idg owns alot of diffrent computer related papers. idg.se is a kind of a portal where they post headlines from all their papers. When you click on a headline you are taken to the paper owned by idg that published the headline. Im not sure how to explain it any better. But the great thing is that you can absolutely verify this with anyone with a little insight to swedish computer press.

kristin,

1. Fine. thenisse is a whore. I dont see it that way. I think he is doing a public service.

2. Noone accusing you of being liers. We’re saying you are being lied to. (Yes, by Medison, we are accusing Medison of being liers.) How do you handle such allegations?

3. This seems to be enough for alot of people. Personally I think it is a disgrace in the practice of business. Is it really to much to ask how this is supposed to work? How do I make sure I get the keyboard I need when the company doesnt know the diffrence between a keyboard(hardware) and a keyboard map(software mapping to the right key)? I do not think 2CO is a dishonest company but this is a valid questions asked before a purchase, no?

When will CC charges be drawn? when Medison says they shipped or when costumers verify to 2CO?

I for one am very comfortable dealing with 2co both as a consumer and a seller, and because of this I did put in my $150 for the dream of getting one of these.

However I am nervous about medisoncelebrity.

In trying to join his Yahoo Blog, through a link on their own site (http://www.medisoncelebrity.com/faq.html)I came to a page that appears to say medisoncelebrity is suspended in Yahoo Groups.
Its not looking good…

1. You can use some of the other domain names that readers has registered for the blog if you like, the domain name is just shortened from the blog name. Not much to argue about. However, when I created the blog three weeks ago I actually believed that it actually was a scam, but after the information I have gathered I no longer believe so. I do not however think that any computers will show up. I also believe that the blog has it’s purpose, because not everyone have all the time to browse trough all different sites, forums and blogs with information, and quite few of people that are interested actually knows Swedish and like my translation services. I really believe that you have use for the information I publish too, like you have said, 2co does have other things to do except Medison, isn’t it good to have a source of information that you can access for the latest news on the matter?

2. I’m really sorry if that is the way you understood it. It’s not my intention to undermine your authority and i do believe that you are telling the truth. I’m just curious about that you say one thing two weeks after Valdi clarified the matter. I’m not arguing about if you have spoken to anyone at Medison or not, it was just the part about Scandinavian shipping that confused me.

3. Don’t get me wrong here, my opinion is the same as yours, the customers money is safe and in that part you are doing your job perfectly fine, and I thing your patience both towards Medison and the customers are fantastic. I do understand that you don’t have all the answers, but since Medison don’t answer e-mails (the mails actually bounces now!), don’t have any phones or fax, and don’t have any proper mailing address, customers turns to you as a trusted answers. That is to get to know when or if they will receive their orders and how much it will cost in the end.

I’m hoping that the part about ”potentially slanderous accusations” just is a misunderstanding if you feel that about my posts, that’s certainly not what I meant.

This is a repost of my post from a thread that died without a response—-

I’m not worried about Medison. I’m not worried about 2CO. I’m not worried about my $164.72 CDN. It’s plain that 2CO is NOT a scammer and they have my back. There is still feasabilty in all of this. To this point.

However, there’s no freaking way a laptop is going to get shipped from anywhere near Brazil or Taiwan or Sweden or the Czech Republic to Toronto for less than $100+ CDN extra. What about import duties into Canada? What about Canadian GSTax?

That extra $100+ is still quite possible at this point because NOBODY’S SAYING ANYTHING.

Before a laptop makes a round trip (refused) and I have to fight for a refund, would someone at 2CO please formulate a policy for Canadian shipments (ie. who pays for what and what needs remittance) and calculate these charges PRIOR to shipping and ask me what i want to do FIRST.

You have my email address.

DOAs. What about DOAs?? How long and to what extent is 2CO responsable for the unit that arrives, is confirmed as arriving in good order, 2CO pays Valdi and then the thing dies.

I am assuming already that there will be NO warranty on these units. If Vladi actually comes through, I’m sure he’ll head for the hills without setting up any kind of service network, much less pay them. That’s why these units are worth 150$us max. They’re AS IS.

What if Valdi’s baby dies in my arms the day after it gets here. His (meaning MY) problem or 2CO’s??

shce,

No need to worry, you’re covered.

http://www.medisoncelebrity.com/faq.html

Q: Is your laptop a quality product?
A: Yes it is, and it comes with 1 year warranty. If something else should happen we will make sure to help you with support.

If you want something with a warranty, go buy an $800 laptop from Dell or HP. We’re talking about a $150 laptop here. I don’t see how 2CO has any responsibility beyond verifying that you received a functional laptop. After that you would have to deal with Medison. As for shipping charges, 2CO has already stated that they will ask you to re-authorize the payment with the shipping charges included. So you will know how much shipping is before it’s shipped. If the shipping is too expensive, just cancel the order.

Like someone else said, this is like the lottery. If you can’t afford to lose $150, then you shouldn’t play.

making a purchase, entering a transaction, is not a lottery. Buying something in a store, or online is not gambling, or the lottery, it’a transaction.

And, btw, CompUSA had a laptop with better specs for $350.00 last week. That laptop came with a 1 year warranty. Buy with any number of credit cards and double the warranty to 2 years. Not $800.

”If you want something with a warranty, go buy an $800 laptop from Dell or HP”

We are now 11 days before the expected delivery date, part deux. Are we any closer to knowing when we will have the final cost with shipping? I travel alot and would like to know approx. when to expect the email from 2CO with these costs included.

To Kristin – 2CO Staff

I have just spent appx. 40 min. skimming over the above Blog entries and as someone stated, it was humorous in a way. A lot of mis-speak.

However, there seems to be an item overlooked in your last reply……. no one at 2CO has answered the question of the ”face-to-face” meeting with someone from Medison. Did this occur and if so, what was the outcome ??

Also, how will the product return (if unsatisfactory) be handled ?? Return as COD, or will buyer be responsible for the return shipping ?? Plus, if returned, will the 2CO charges be credited to our Charge Cards.

Thank you, I await your reply,

John Longmire ( john.l.j@att.net )

Having read this thread in its entirety, it is very clear to me (as it should be to any but those most obsessed with seeing their comments fan this already blazing fire) that, as 2CO is a company that mediates transactions between vendors like Medison and the buying public, it holds no other responsibility than to protect our interests–which they very clearly do–and to react to fraud if and when it is discovered–which it most certainly has not.

I would like to strongly suggest that we all–as the old Usenet adage goes–”sit on our hands” until such time as the truth (or fiction) behind this offer can be discovered.

Further, I’d like to commend 2CO and its representatives for their objective, honest and fair-handed treatment of responses in this forum that have become little more a threadbare fabric of supposition, invective and yes, even calumny. I think we all owe a debt (if not an apology) to Julie for her unflagging sufferance.

So please can we all let 2CO do its job for us unfettered by inappropriate argument, emotional breast-beating, and fact-less ”I know more than you do” one-upmanship?

(Above, I cited Julie’s sufferance when I fully intended to include Kirsten and 2CO’s other able staff members as well. Mea culpa.)

”And, btw, CompUSA had a laptop with better specs for $350.00 last week. That laptop came with a 1 year warranty. Buy with any number of credit cards and double the warranty to 2 years. Not $800.”

Then there you go. Only twice the price plus $50 (excluding whatever shipping will be for the Medison) for a better laptop with a year of warranty from a brick and mortar. Now if you’re able to get one of the 3 or 4 your local CompUSA had in stock when they went on sale, good for you. At the moment the cheapest laptop they have online is $580 minus $180 in rebates that you won’t get back for 10-12 weeks. I’d rather wait out the Medison deal, but that’s just me.

Jake,

Yes, but when that sale was on, it was not only brick and mortar, but in stock online and available for delivery.

You would rather pay $150 plus shipping and possibly duty, but that is all moot because you will never get it.

Jake,

Here ya go. No rebate. Available online. $350, compusa.

CompUSA

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rspx, in your post
http://www.2checkout.com/community/support/topic.php?id=214&page=4&replies=115#post-1117
you note that Medison states to offer 1 year warranty.

Please note that under the EU consumer directive, a 2 year warranty is mandatory.

Please also note that Medison do not offer any way to contact the company for a DOA replacement or service call. They direct you to a 3rd party support company, that have not signed a contract with Medison and have given Medison a 31-Aug deadline to prove themselves.

So, while Medison offers a 1 year warranty, they must by law offer a 2 year warranty, but in 2 years time, there may not be anyone to call for support.

No-one needs to worry about warranty. It is obvious that no laptops will be shipped by Madison.

@congatom

a directive is just what it is, a directive, not a law.

i bought a sony vaio a year ago here in italy, and warranty is going to expire by october, but you can pay (quite a lot) to purchase a warranty extension.

the only important thing is that people at medison ship the laptops and provide the 1-year warranty service, i’m sure everyone would pay them with no problems, for one (or more) extra year.

in my opinion this has not to be a scam, but if it will turn out that this is the case, then the ”entrepreneur” behind everything wasn’t smart enough to monetize this -huge- publicity stunt (and there are many ways he could have done it in my opinion), and preferred to risk to spend some time in jail, for just a few hundereds dollars.

Mark, All EU Member States were required to implement the directive into their national law by 1 January 2002, and were allowed to adopt more stringent provisions in favour of the consumer. The 2 year warranty is a required minimum, even though corporations still often try to get away with less.
Reference: http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/cons_int/safe_shop/guarantees/index_en.htm

@congatom

it’s a nonsense that this is not known anywhere and shops and corporations all get away with just 1 year of warranty.

could we sue Sony then?..

Mark, Let’s forget Sony and keep focused on Medison, and the fact that there is no way to contact the company for warranty matters.

yes i’m sorry i was getting off the main path

ps: i would like to talk a little more about that topic with you anyway (to get to know how thing work in norway about the same situation etc), i tried to contact you via pm but this possibility just wasn’t available..please email me at 9D0mqHolKZHieopj(at)spambox.us (it will get redirected to my real email don’t worry) if you can

psps:i used a spambox for web spam, but you can use a spambox email too if you don’t trust me of course

kirstin said: ”The order form *will* be corrected. Unfortunately, my point team on resolving many inquiries was collectively unavailable but you’ll see the some presentment changes and clarification made soon.”

How do you deifne soon? Almost two weeks since you wrote that now, and over four weeks since Valdi said that everyone had to pay for shipping. The only shipping option on your order page is still ”Scandinavia FREE”

With millions of dollars at stake, and scores sitting on the sidelines waiting to order, I figured you’d be a little more motivated to get to the bottom of this.

Can’t you just do what you said you were going to do, face to face with Valdi to fill in all these blank details or pull them as a vendor to restore your reputation as trustworthy?

Telling us to ”wait it out” just isn’t good enough.

Have you received any proofs at all that any laptops exsist except Valdi’s own Clevo with scratched of serial number and Czech keyboard?
Are you aware of that customers still don’t know how much shipping are and that there are NO WAY for customers to contact Medison for assistance?
How will you start the verification process? Have you received any tracking numbers? When are the first laptops scheduled to be delivered?

Again, the reason why we ask YOU this is because that there is NO WAY for customers to contact Medison, so please don’t just say that that this will be adressed by Medison/Valdi, since there is no way of contacting them/him for a customer.

Let me put it this way: If you have ”spent two days face to face with Valdi going over issues that are of concern” you must have received some answers to the customers highly valid questions, can you share any answers with us?

Oh, could we get a clarification if this meeting was the two last days, or at a previous date?

Geno,

So after 2 days of face to face, you are basically telling us to ”wait it out”? You can’t answer ANY of our concerns?

2CO,

I believe that you, as a company, are more liable than anyone else here if this becomes sour and turns out to be fraud!

YOU have violated your OWN end user agreement in letting Valdi Ivancic do business through your site and persisting in taking peoples money. YOU are responsible for supporting Valdi Ivancic in his lies and assuring people in something that you know will never pan out.

You should never have done business with someone who can not and refuses to show evidence or any proof that his product even EXISTS!

YOU have violated international law by using the internet for fraud! In my and the Entire LM Alliance’s opinion you are the one who holds majority of the responsibility, not Valdi, simply because you are the one who is taking the money from the end user, not Valdi.

Even if you refund it, you are still at fault for taking the money in the first place. This is not how you should conduct business. Promising a refund is NO type of legitamte warranty.

If i am incorrect, please correct me. I wish to hear your explanation. We all do.

Geno,

I’m really just trying to be clear on this.

My money won’t be released until you call me and verify delivery? Or, my money won’t be released until the first handful of customers are verified for delivery?

My fear is, that the first batch may be verified, then Medison says ”All 300,000 are now shipped”, my money is released, and I never get a laptop.

Oh, and btw, I don’t think it’s unfair to ask for an accurate shipping cost up front. Every other vendor on the web does this.

”I am willing to answer questions regarding 2Checkout.com, but I will not compromise our integrity. If you were a vendor of ours and I had a meeting with you, I would not put the contents of that meeting on the open forums. There is a privacy policy in place.”

I thought the entire purpose of the meeting was to find answers for the questions that customers were asking? Like shipping costs, delivery time frame, is there really a product, etc…

fisk47,
Apparently the website you provided is a legit site; however I still have my concerns about it. Similar to foxnews and cnn, what are their motives behind what they report?

Geno,
To quell the resistance to Medison, answers are needed. So the way I see it, we have two options. The first, what can you tell us based on the freedom of information act. The second, I get my lawyer (AKA the B word) to get what information from you that she can based on the freedom of information act. If you need my order number, please email me and I will provide it to you. All we want are answers and I intend to get them legally. Purchasing a laptop for $150 does not make me poor, just cheap! One option costs me and one does not. Your choice! Failure to respond within two week of this post (29 August 2007) will result in me contacting my lawyer.
V/R
BlewCowsUK

Geno,

”I am willing to answer questions regarding 2Checkout.com, but I will not compromise our integrity. If you were a vendor of ours and I had a meeting with you, I would not put the contents of that meeting on the open forums. There is a privacy policy in place.”

-With an absolute minimum amount of respect. You are just giving us bull…
I find it hardly unlikely that you could spend 2 days with Valdi AND not ask a single relevant question. If this is the case, I hope your boss kicks you out of the office. This cannot be the way 2co should operate.
What about _any_ evidence of “the Medison production plants” (would increase the belief in 2co)?
What about _any_ evidence of a product (would increase the belief in 2co)?
What about _any_ evidence of shipment (would increase the belief in 2co)?

When this burst, you have all missed any chance of clearing the name of 2co…

Btw, I “worked” with Valdi during 2001 (listened to an endless amount of bs, like, on this board)…. I know this character

//IS

For the record, I don’t think 2CO know if Medison have broken any laws it’s just a lie telling us so…

In sweden Medison likely have broken several laws mostly for not telling the customers all facts about shipping VAT and so on.
7 § Om inte annat följer av avtalet, skall säljaren svara för
transportkostnader och andra kostnader för varan som uppkommer före
avlämnandet och som inte beror på att avlämnandet har försenats till
följd av något förhållande på köparens sida.

English translation:
7 § If nothing else is agreed in the contract, the seller should take care of shipping cost and all other costs that can arise before the goods is handed over and not caused by the buyer.

Medison changed this information after the first buyers and we have not got any answers regarding this, what I know it’s stated free scandinavia shipping for now too:
(2) Medison Celebrity (001): 2,155.76

Vendor Shipping: (Scandinavia) 0.00

——————————————————————————–

Sale Total ( SEK ): ¤ 2,155.76

This is only one of several queationable paragraphs that is violated, and I think it’s like that in several other countries.

If 2CO have a good reputation (I don’t know), why risk something like this?

I think Medison are going to ship a small batch of computers and when 2CO release the money it’s christmas time!

2CO must for their own good follow every single order and call all the customers before they release any money.

Dear 2CO Staff,

I would like to thank you for your patience and perseverance regarding this Medison Celebrity posting. I for one placed an order with you and choose to wait and see what happens. If these few (concerned citizens) are so worried then they should withdraw their orders and let you continue to do business. I guess you get these problems when you deal with the public (used loosely). Again, thank you for doing what is necessary to protect our orders and good luck.

joek150

I’m sorry to say that in the last couple of yars in our country we have had several frauds on the internet where many people have lost their money, we should together do all that we can to stop things like that before it happens.

I think it’s a long row of questions regarding Medison that MUST be answered, breaking laws for one thing.

In a future we can’t shop on the internet if more and more frauds are coming.

I personally don’t really think this is a fraud but I don’t think all people that have ordered a computer are going to get one either.

In Sweden the man behind Medison have started svereal businesses and none of them have a success story, big hopes and a lot of lies according to press and financial history.

I don’t know if anyone have translated the press conference to english but it was really a parody and 2hours of BS.

Hello, Geno??????

I would like an official update on when I’m likely to see my order.The 4-6 week from order deadline for me is now over, (Medison re-stated this via email to me last week). I’ve heard nothing about delivery yet from 2CO even though both the original mid-August and modified end-August shipping dates have now passed.

There has also been no information regarding shipping priority of orders. As some of you may not be aware, we are not all in the US or Canada and the location was not restricted in the order mechanism. Will there be certain countries receiving orders first due to volume, or will those closest to the location of the stored units receive priority? Is there a possibility that once a specified number of units is dispatched that no further orders will be met? Will people here in the UK ever get any information pertinent to us or even receive any units?

Official responses to these points would be appreciated, thank you.

Time for a update. We are past the shipping deadline by 6 days. Someone out there should have a Laptop by now. 2COM should know if someone has a Laptop out there or if the shipping date has been pushed back or if this was just a scam all along by now.

How bout a update 2com its been a week since Geno posted!

Bump, time for some answers

Will this just meander on forever?

Or, is there some deadline 2co has set for either fulfillment, or dropping Medison?

If it happens that all standing orders are canceled, will there be a level of certainty that laptops will be shipped before orders can be placed again?

What I mean is, it won’t be a situation where all orders are canceled and then taken again for a 4-6 weeks waiting period for delivery?

I would like more explanation on the deadline. Is it a dead line for all laptops or a each individual laptop? Meaning that the first ordered laptops would be canciled before laptops that were orded at a latter date? Or is it a deadline for Medison to start shiping laptops period, meaning that no laptops have been shiped at all but if medison starts shipping some number of laptops before the deadline all orders will stay active?

I have read confilicting reports and would like to know if there are any people out there that have recived a laptop at all or if there are any laptops that have been shipped at this point. 2co should know the answers to these questions and there is no reason to keep them secret.

More explanation is not needed. The bottom line is there is no laptops. Isn’t it obvious by now?!? I was one of the first to make my purchase, but it was a crapshoot all along and we just rolled a seven. Game over.

Geno has been talking to swedish paper…
He said that the computer exists and he had seen it.

I’ll bet almost everything on that this computer was a clevo with scraped serial number. This computer was sent by a company to Valdi august 2006 according to people that have seen the shipping slip with name, this computer is not payd for yet….

So another swede has tryed 2 bye the madison laptop. During the last 10 days I´v been in contact with 2co (4 times altogether) with a question if madison can garanti delivery within 4-6 weeks.
Everytime 2co has answered that they by mail asked madison/the vendor 2 answer the question within 24 hours, and I can see 4 myself the they have done so.
Still I have´nt got any answer whatsoever from madison.
It´s obvius the something is not wright and personaly I will cancel my order if I dont see an answer/confirmation within the next 48 hours.
It´s definitly remarkebel that althoug this webpage has been on 4 more than a mont NOBODY SEEMS 2 HAVE GOT A COMPUTER YET.

gino is piss-marking the thread. they still don’t have ANY kind of clue.

hey Gino–you have my email address. I’m in canada. When are these things getting here? Were they ever? Never mind your BS deadline. I don’t see any firm date.

Oh, and gino? everything that’s happened here is a glaring DIRECT reflection on 2CO and no other entity. From the start, every sane person involved in this has expected 2CO to pull the plug a MONTH ago. We’re all just hanging around to see if there’s any reason to consider 2CO reliable.

Yea 2co has to realise the bridges they are burning here. No one with any sense would ever do buisness with them again after this joke. They wont even answer the questions with real answers. If there excuse for that is that they dont know that even makes them look worse.

is there any way of checking the status of an order?

I have just been reading the previous postings. I am disturbed by the statements by 2CO that they will permit celebrity to add in shipping costs at shipping time and that anyone who chooses not to pay the additional money will have his order canceled.

Each person who has ordered from celebrity has a binding contract with celebrity. We, the customers, have agreed to pay a certain amount of money and celebrity has agreed to provide a certain product at a certain price. If 2CO, on behalf of celebrity, attempts to charge more money than the amount in the contract, celebrity AND 2CO are likely to face many thousands of claims for fraud even if the machine is legitimate. I recommend you review this policy with your attorneys and consider honoring the contracts.

If this was a bait and switch, celebrity deserves to lose the money. If it was an honest mistake, the cost to celebrity of learning to be careful when entering into binding agreements with many thousands of customers is called ”tuition”. Either way, attempting to change the terms now is called ”breach of contract” and possible ”consumer fraud”.

If celebrity tries to do this and 2CO goes along with it, 2CO will be just as liable as celebrity in lawsuits by customers, and easier to collect from.

Hey Geno, I have an idea. Instead of replying with cut and pasted bs statements like that. How bout you actually read the questions that people have posted on this topic and try to actualy address them with honest straight to the point answers.

Medison’s sites seem to be gone, or at least down. Has the company folded? Is 2CO still in touch with them at all?

I have to say that I trust 2CO, and think that they have done a good job of protecting the consumer. I have bought merchandise through them from other companies, some of which had delayed shipments, and 2CO did a good job of follow through to make sure the product (in my case a documentary DVD) was delivered.

Hahaha, Valdi split and left 2co holding the bag!

Note: i’ve been a seller/supplier with 2CO for more than 8 years. I have never had a better service. As a supplier, i have seen some funds held for up to 3 months by 2CO, while they were trying to protect my first clients, and doing fraud check. 2CO remains a responsible business and they can’t reject a possible supplier if they think it might be a fraud, but they still can protect the clients by holding the funds. In this matter, i believe that everything about the Medison Celebrity situation was perfectly handled. Business as usual. If people are angry that Medison disapeared, then they should point their fingers at Medison, not 2CO.

End of comment,

-A satisfied buyer and supplier

telecino,

But, did a customer ever have to ask you if they were ever going to get the item they ordered, a month and a half after the order was placed? Or how, and how much shipping was going to be, when originally it was supposed to be free?

This is a far different situation than dealing with a legitimate vendor, such as yourself. And I think some basic answers to basic questions should be more readily offered. When it comes down to it, there really are only 3 or 4 questions, that have been asked over and over, and never answered.

Give it up people, the fun is over. He folded due to all the press and pressure. I knew it was too good to be true. Oh well. My order was cancelled with no problems. You all should do the same instead of waiting around for nothing. The Medison website has been closed.

Well it’s been 6 weeks today and still nothing! still says not shipped.

go figure

No matter what happens, what I will remember most is that 2co purposly avoided answering any questions in multiple threads and left all there customers hanging with no answers.

2Co have informed us that they are still in contact with Medison Celebrity even though their site /domain no longer exists! As its CEO stated, the advertising revenue was where Medison made money. It seems that they’ve now achieved that target and self-destructed!

All we want is straight answers and we’re yet to receive any. We know our money is safe, we’re not asking about that any more. We have entered into an agreement to purchase items within a time frame for a specified figure. It is your duty to enter into a dialog with us regarding those items. I do not care about the Company selling the items or its CEO that is your area. All I want is fulfillment of my order as agreed and full customer service regarding any changes or delays to that agreement.

Once the 6 week deadline has elapsed everyone should complete and send support forms to Customer Care. The Customer Care Team is duty bound then to give you satisfactory answers. Everyone try it and post the results here!

I have asked 2Checkout through a ticket on their onsite help desk to advise a delivery date and any extra costs. They’ve returned that I can cancel my orders or they can forward a request for info to the vendor. I have asked them to please contact the vendor on my behalf. I too have been offered goods and accepted the offer. I am interested in seeing that the contract is fulfilled. Since it is understood that the orders are canceled pretty much automatically if the vendor renegs, the vendor must still be viable as my orders are still live and 2CO is going through the drill by the book.

I would not say by the book. 2co has said many times that buying a product threw 2co is like buying a product directly from 2co. If thats the case when you ask a question such as ”advise a delivery date and any extra costs” they should give you a valid answer. Not send back the same crap cut and pasted response they have giving us saying if you want cancil your order.

check out my msg on http://www.2checkout.com/community/support/topic.php?id=338&page&replies=18
or on the topic ”medisoncelebrity.com site is closed down”.
Here u will find the actual telephone number 2 Valdi Ivancic.
One does really ask oneself why he has registered the telephonenr to Jana Kejmar in MALMÖ?? as administor of the webpage. Mybee one should make him a visit.

Again I think it is funny that it seems 2Co customers have done a better job of researching Madison then 2Co has done. Maybe it is time for 2Co to do the research and answer some of the many questions customers have posted.

Dear 2CO Staff,

I writes you from France and I would like to know if I buy the laptop,

how much I will pay for the Shipping/transport?.

In the ((http://www.medisoncelebrity.com/faq.html))
___________________________________________________________
Q: Can I get my laptop with my country’s keyboard settings?
A: Yes, our laptops are delivered with the keyboard language setting that was specified as the recieving country when ordered.
———————————————————–

I live in France but I am not french, I want a keyboard in Spanish. How can I obtain it?

I want the 1 Gb of memory, How can I request it??

Im sorry to write bad English and thank for you patience.

bye.

Ricardo

I have a RAM question similar to Ricardo’s. I was interested in ordering extra RAM. However, at this point I guess I’ll wait and see. If I actually get the computer, I expect it won’t be too hard to check the specs and buy RAM from a 3rd party vendor.

Guys:

Lighten up. How many of you have actually had your cards charged yet?

I know I have not, and it appears that most of our fellow customers have not had our cards charged.

Anyway, anybody in his right mind who ordered this computer was trying to get a really good deal on a computer, knew he was taking a gamble on not getting it, and is taking a chance on being out the $150.

Grow up.